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 Spouse vs. MD on meds 
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Post Spouse vs. MD on meds
Over the years, I've read many posts where doctors and other medical professionals override a spouse or LO's concern and prescribe or administer a medication that we have insisted is bad for our LO -- often to horrific results.

I do not understand whether I have been fortunate over the years, or have been awesomely overbearing, or came across as a husband-adoring bwitch who would clearly sue their ass if they disregarded my instructions, but I have NEVER had a medical pro even try to override me when I made it clear I would not allow a certain medication to be administered to Jerome.

Of course, I walked into every new doctor appt. and into every ER trip with multiple copies of a printed list of Jerome's meds/dosages, large type stating "This patient has Lewy Body Dementia and is at risk for catastrophic reaction -- including neuroleptic malignant syndrome -- to the following medications: ... "

Then I list specific meds that we know Jerome has had a bad reaction to, followed by the categories of meds we know are not good for LBDers.

At the bottom of the page, in bold, it states "The patient's spouse must be consulted before the introduction of any new medication."

Anyone who asked for a recitation of Jerome's meds was simply handed the printed page and I told them to attach it to his chart.

They often looked skeptical that he could be "allerigc" to all those meds and would often "test" me on what happens if he gets, for example, an antipsychotic med, or in Jerome's case, Seroquel. I always stated matter-of-factly and in as few words as possible, the worst case scenario ... extreme confusion, or NMS symptoms, or accelerated and irreversible dementia symptoms, etc. They back off.

Every doctor has respected my knowledge of LBD and meds (thanks to the education I received wholly through this list and the LBDA website) and since they got my "warnings" in writing, have never pressed to give Jerome a med he had no business taking.

I don't know who has the legal right in a hospital setting to ultimately decide whether your LO is going to be given Haldol, for example. But you have every reason, right and moral obligation to say "NO." And put it in writing advance, and you've increased your power to draw those lines. No one wants to risk a lawsuit.

Again, maybe I've been lucky with our personal physicians and the random ones in hospitals and ERs over the years, but they've all been respectful of my med "rules."

Hope this helps empower some of our fellow caregivers! :shock:

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Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:20 pm
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Thanks, Renata. This seems like it would be very helpful!


Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:24 pm
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Wonderful idea. I love the idea of being right up front and in writing. I've always carried a list of meds, tests, proceedures, etc. but will add a no-no sheet. It could save a lot of grief. Thank you.

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Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:37 am
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Thank you Renata, for your advice on the notice to any hospital or medical care. PE had a fall yesterday, with blood everywhere on his temple,had to go to the ER and I was afraid they might give him something that would cause confusion, etc. It turns out that there was nothing except a huge bump and he was home in in afternoon. The medics were extremely kind and helpful. But today, he is "somewhere else", I think in Lewy Land and won't eat, pushes chairs around and won't answer. He has not missed any regular medication, was fine when he came home yesterday, and I wonder if the traumatic experience of hitting his head, the ER, etc, has started everything off today.

I will definitely write down your suggestions and print out a few of them in case. A year ago, he was in the hospital for a hernia operation and I had written a page of notices , meds etc. for the staff. But they paid no attention to my efforts and I saw the paper in the wastebasket.

It's about 5:30 in the afternoon here, the aide will come at 6:30, but I sure wish I knew how to cope with the rest of the day, seeing that I probably will have a lot to trouble getting him to bed. Any advice on that? When these periods come on, I just don't know what to do anymore. Dinny Wolff


Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:29 pm
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Dinny --
Any chance he has a concussion -- did they tell you to watch him for 12 hours for things like headaches, unusual confusion, nausea/vomiting? Most likely, it's Lewys jumping on him from the ER excitement, as you suspect. Does he take anything for anxiety, like klonazepam -- if so, can you give him a tad more of that to settle him down for the night, or some more melatonin? Hang in there!

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Dinny, in addition to what Renata has mentioned, look in the fridge for a frozen treat on a stick, or a candy sucker, anything that will give him time to think about what he has in his hand and mouth while the melatonin and other meds do their magic. I let normal mealtime fall by the wayside, giving him Ensure, using a straw [that requires more time]. I offer shave time. Mr B uses an electric razor and it requires a long time for him... Do you hum a tune as you go about your duties? Can you possibly pretend that you are not concerned? He senses your fear. Pick up in the room and let him think everything is normal. Hard to do??? Of course, but worth a try.

Good luck with this day.

Dorthea

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